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sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 09:34 AM

There is no debate. Peyton still has troubles in the big games. The championships tell the story. Seyton has 1, Brady has 3.

19Braves77 · 02-08-2010, 09:49 AM

Tom Brady has always had better players around him. Look at the stint by Cassel when he filled in for Tom. He threw for more yards than 3 of Tom's seasons, had a higher rating than 4 of Tom's seasons and had fewer picks than ALL of Tom's seasons running the NE offense. He then goes to Kansas City and looks like your average NFL quarterback.

I still want the ball in Peytons hands with Brees being a close 2nd.

Authenticink · 02-08-2010, 09:49 AM

That is like saying that former basketball player Steve Kerr who has 5 NBA titles is better than LeBron James. Titles isnt everything when comparing one player to another. Dan Marino must of been a scrub QB since he has no titles

fb1417 · 02-08-2010, 09:52 AM

Peyton Manning played a fine game yesterday and was not the reason the Colts lost. The decision to run the ball on 3rd and 2? during their conservative 2 minute drill led to a Saints field goal. Also, the onside kick was a huge factor in the game. The Colts only ran 6 plays in the second quarter and were denied the ball to start the 3rd. The Saints made a great adjustment on the fly and realized they need to keep the ball out of Manning's hands. They did so successfully after the 10-0 start and won the game.

Authenticink · 02-08-2010, 09:55 AM

Peyton Manning Career Quarterback Rating

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sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 10:08 AM

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Tom Brady has always had better players around him. Look at the stint by Cassel when he filled in for Tom. He threw for more yards than 3 of Tom's seasons, had a higher rating than 4 of Tom's seasons and had fewer picks than ALL of Tom's seasons running the NE offense. He then goes to Kansas City and looks like your average NFL quarterback.

I still want the ball in Peytons hands with Brees being a close 2nd.

Excuse me? Randy Moss was not around when Brady won 3 titles. His best wide receiver was Troy Brown. Peyton has always had better players around him.

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Peyton Manning Career Quarterback Rating

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Tom Brady Career Quarterback Rating

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Playoffs and championships are what matters. Peyton has a .500 record in the playoffs, while Brady has an over .750 winning percentage. If you want to argue QB ratings, look at the players around Brady and Manning. Manning has consistently had better players around him.

sanfran22 · 02-08-2010, 10:43 AM

I think it may be unfair to blame everything on peyton. He had a great game yeaterday. Maybe if Hank Baskett knew how to fall on a football instead of taking it off his face, things could have been different. That being said, I was rooting for the Aint's.

AutographMaster · 02-08-2010, 11:42 AM

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I think it may be unfair to blame everything on peyton. He had a great game yeaterday. Maybe if Hank Baskett knew how to fall on a football instead of taking it off his face, things could have been different. That being said, I was rooting for the Aint's.

Yeah. Peyton played a hell of a game, but it just wasn't enough. One thing that will probably be forgotten is Joseph Addai's surprisingly good performance.

alanmoore · 02-08-2010, 12:46 PM

Hands down, Brady is the winner when it comes to Championships and winning the big games. The dude won his 1st Super Bowl in his first season as a starter with guys like Troy Brown, David Patten and Antowain Smith leading the offense. Hardly Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne And Edgerring James.

Peyton is definitely a better passer though. To have that talent and be the play caller is something you just dont see in the NFL.

sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 12:56 PM

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Hands down, Brady is the winner when it comes to Championships and winning the big games. The dude won his 1st Super Bowl in his first season as a starter with guys like Troy Brown, David Patten and Antowain Smith leading the offense. Hardly Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne And Edgerring James.

Peyton is definitely a better passer though. To have that talent and be the play caller is something you just dont see in the NFL.

I will agree, in part, that Peyton may be an overall better passer. However, at the end of the day, it comes down to winning. Peyton just cannot get it done in the big game. If stats meant anything, the Colts wouldn't have sat their starters. However, because all that matters is winning the Super Bowl, they took it easy at the end. All that matters is winning championships, and Brady has proven that he can get it done in the games that matter. Peyton, just doesn't have it. I will admit, he made a great read for his TD pass, and focusing on the injured secondary of NO. However, that pick 6 to end the game was horrendous, and Peyton looked like a second rate QB.

stlsport$ · 02-08-2010, 01:07 PM

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I will agree, in part, that Peyton may be an overall better passer. However, at the end of the day, it comes down to winning. Peyton just cannot get it done in the big game. If stats meant anything, the Colts wouldn't have sat their starters. However, because all that matters is winning the Super Bowl, they took it easy at the end. All that matters is winning championships, and Brady has proven that he can get it done in the games that matter. Peyton, just doesn't have it. I will admit, he made a great read for his TD pass, and focusing on the injured secondary of NO. However, that pick 6 to end the game was horrendous, and Peyton looked like a second rate QB.

I'm a peyton fan so I won't enter the debate as I'm partial but in terms of the pick 6 that is a timing route and reggie came out of his break late and furthermore didn't come to the ball when the db jumped the route. Reggie also dropped the for sure first down at the 2 and possibly a td. Also garconn e had 2 huge drops including the game changer on third down. I wouldn't really blame any of that on peyton. He made the big plays when he needed to unfortunately as a qb your success also depends on your wr and in these instances the wr chocked.

sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 01:26 PM

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I'm a peyton fan so I won't enter the debate as I'm partial but in terms of the pick 6 that is a timing route and reggie came out of his break late and furthermore didn't come to the ball when the db jumped the route. Reggie also dropped the for sure first down at the 2 and possibly a td. Also garconn e had 2 huge drops including the game changer on third down. I wouldn't really blame any of that on peyton. He made the big plays when he needed to unfortunately as a qb your success also depends on your wr and in these instances the wr chocked.

No he didn't make the plays he needed to, especially when the INT was deciding factor in the game. He went 3-and out twice in the 2nd quarter. And yes, I say "HE" because the QB is the leader of the offense and team. Not to mention Peyton is considered to be a great play caller, and a great reader of defenses. Joe Montana would not have made that throw that Peyton made. Wayne was well covered, and Peyton decided to throw it to him anyway. It was a terrible read by Peyton, and a bad throw. Doesn't matter if Reggie came out of his break late. Even if that were the case, Peyton still shouldn't have thrown it, but he did anyways.

Authenticink · 02-08-2010, 02:00 PM

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I will agree, in part, that Peyton may be an overall better passer. However, at the end of the day, it comes down to winning. Peyton just cannot get it done in the big game. If stats meant anything, the Colts wouldn't have sat their starters. However, because all that matters is winning the Super Bowl, they took it easy at the end. All that matters is winning championships, and Brady has proven that he can get it done in the games that matter. Peyton, just doesn't have it. I will admit, he made a great read for his TD pass, and focusing on the injured secondary of NO. However, that pick 6 to end the game was horrendous, and Peyton looked like a second rate QB.

That is a quick change of heart there. Your very first post says Brady better than Peyton yet now you agree that Peyton is a better passer, yet in your next post you say that Peyton should have never made that pass, etc, etc. Which is it??? You are wrong that Peyton has better players around him than Brady does, one player doesnt get you to the Super Bowl and win it, TEAMS do, so therefore Brady has better players around him. You want to just look at 2 or 3 key positions, QB, RB, or WR, but what about the protection on the line? What about defenses?? You HAVE to look at the entire teams, NOT just key positons when it comes to going to and winning the Super Bowl. Has Peyton had an overall better passer rating through his career than Brady, YES!! Stats prove it, I provided for you. The only stat that Brady wins is interceptions, Peyton has alot more, but Peyton has played 2 more years than Brady, take away Peytons first 2 years in the league and almost 8,000 passing yards, he still leads Brady by 20,000 yards passed!!!

sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 02:15 PM

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That is a quick change of heart there. Your very first post says Brady better than Peyton yet now you agree that Peyton is a better passer, yet in your next post you say that Peyton should have never made that pass, etc, etc. Which is it??? You are wrong that Peyton has better players around him than Brady does, one player doesnt get you to the Super Bowl and win it, TEAMS do, so therefore Brady has better players around him. You want to just look at 2 or 3 key positions, QB, RB, or WR, but what about the protection on the line? What about defenses?? You HAVE to look at the entire teams, NOT just key positons when it comes to going to and winning the Super Bowl. Has Peyton had an overall better passer rating through his career than Brady, YES!! Stats prove it, I provided for you. The only stat that Brady wins is interceptions, Peyton has alot more, but Peyton has played 2 more years than Brady, take away Peytons first 2 years in the league and almost 8,000 passing yards, he still leads Brady by 20,000 yards passed!!!

Brady is better than Peyton, because all that matters is winning championships, and your performance during these games. How am I wrong about the players around each QB? You want to challenge that, then show me where the better players are/were for Brady. Troy Brown is not Reggie Wayne or Marvin Harrison. Both Wayne and Harrison are borderline HOF Wide Outs, Brown isn't close.

Your stats argument is compounded because of the fact he has had 2 WR's that are great for the majority of his career. Dallas Clark is another example of a top of the line target for Peyton. Up until 07, Brady didn't have a major threat. Their RB's were horrible, their WR's were average at best. The Offensive Line wasn't good until his second Super Bowl victory. Jeff Saturday I guess isn't good enough for your argument.

wolverine · 02-08-2010, 02:16 PM

OK first of all you can't say Brady was just along for the ride in his Super Bowl wins. Without him, the Pats have 0 championships. Brady is my favorite, and he is a winner, but the best QB is Peyton. The best winner/leader is Brady. I will take winner/leader over stats any day.