Tom Brady Better than Peyton - Page 3 - SportsGraphing.com

andy97 · 02-08-2010, 08:10 PM

I never understood why people want to use Super Bowl championships to determine who the best quarterback is. Last I checked, football was the ultimate team sport but I guess winning 10+ games in the regular season and at least 3 in the postseason all comes down, 100%, on the QB's shoulders. It really makes no sense, even more so than using wins to evaluate a pitcher in baseball. Contributions by all other offensive and defensive players are clearly irrelevant in team performance using your logic, since after all, it's all about the QB when it comes to winning.
Trent Dilfer must have been super clutch and thus one of the best QBs of all time by this logic, after all he did win a super bowl. So must Brad Johnson. Either way, Dilfer and Johnson are both clearly better QBs than Dan Marino, right?

Cassel proved that Brady is largely a product of the system. Peyton is the system.

sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 08:21 PM

That isn't the argument here. Dilfer didn't carry his team in the win.

Cassel played on a team that Brady had career numbers on, in 2007. Brady won his championships with mediocrity surrounding him, and carried the teams.

andy97 · 02-08-2010, 08:35 PM

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That isn't the argument here. Dilfer didn't win 3 titles, nor did he carry his team.

Cassel played on a team that Brady had career numbers on, in 2007. Brady won his championships with mediocrity surrounding him, and carried the teams.

Brady also lost the Super Bowl in his career year which you fail to note above, so using your logic it must not have been a career year since they didn't win the last game of the season. Using team accomplishments (Championships) as the measurement of a player's worth is ludicrous. Saying Brady was surrounded by mediocrity is even more ludicrous. Dilfer and Johnson did win 1 Super Bowl though so they must be as equally great players as Peyton using your reasoning.

Troy Aikman was 3-0 in Super Bowls, but Tom Brady is 3-1, so Aikman is obviously better than Brady since he has a better SB winning percentage even though he only threw more than 17 TDs in a season twice.

sprtsstar4ever · 02-08-2010, 08:45 PM

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Brady also lost the Super Bowl in his career year which you fail to note above, so using your logic it must not have been a career year since they didn't win the last game of the season. Using team accomplishments (Championships) as the measurement of a player's worth is ludicrous. Saying Brady was surrounded by mediocrity is even more ludicrous. Dilfer and Johnson did win 1 Super Bowl though so they must be as equally great players as Peyton using your reasoning.

Troy Aikman was 3-0 in Super Bowls, but Tom Brady is 3-1, so Aikman is obviously better than Brady since he has a better SB winning percentage even though he only threw more than 17 TDs in a season twice.

Again, you don't read properly. I said career numbers, not career year. Troy Aikman had weapons, like Peyton has had. Brady did not have any weapons when he won his Super Bowls.

andy97 · 02-08-2010, 08:47 PM

Robert Horry has 7 NBA championships, and 8 other players have more than 6 NBA titles so I guess they are all better than Michael Jordan, no?

Authenticink · 02-08-2010, 08:57 PM

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Again, you don't read properly. I said career numbers, not career year. Troy Aikman had weapons, like Peyton has had. Brady did not have any weapons when he won his Super Bowls.

I have come to the realization that you are just dilusional. I have come to the realization that you are not even a sports fan, you hardly know anything about sports. You just can not or dont want to see the facts, you are driven by your infatuation for Brady. As the last few years go by, Peyton will go down as the best QB to ever play the game PERIOD

muwolverine22 · 02-08-2010, 08:57 PM

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Hands down, Brady is the winner when it comes to Championships and winning the big games. The dude won his 1st Super Bowl in his first season as a starter with guys like Troy Brown, David Patten and Antowain Smith leading the offense. Hardly Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne And Edgerring James.

Peyton is definitely a better passer though. To have that talent and be the play caller is something you just dont see in the NFL.

Patriots also had solid defenses those years while the colts did not... The colts could score 40 but gave up 40 right back for many years if you remember correctly. I'll tke manning anyday, and not that loser eli...

danthetigersfan · 02-08-2010, 09:16 PM

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There is no debate. Peyton still has troubles in the big games. The championships tell the story. Seyton has 1, Brady has 3.

There is no debate. Riiiiiiiiiight.

Goodness, apparently you think you can shove any opinion you want down someones throat.

You can't say there is no debate, because each QB had different situations. Making this statement just makes you look dumb. Brady has more championships, yeah-but guess what. TEAMS win championships, not a QB. If QBs won titles, Dan Marino would have multiple titles.

There are many people who call Peyton Manning the best QB ever-I'm not sure if I agree-but just so you understand, that means these people put him AHEAD of Tom Brady.

So yes, there IS in fact debate about your statement. But hey, you are never wrong, so why would this be the first time?

danthetigersfan · 02-08-2010, 09:18 PM

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Peyton Manning is the better passer/quarterback. He certainly belongs in the conversation as one of the elite passers in the history of the game. I'm not a big fan of Tom Brady but I will give credit where it is due and he has played well in big games, esp. towards the beginning of his career. Brady's performance in those kind of games have dwindled over the years. Now when it comes to winning it doesn't fall on the QB it is about the team. Brady had a very pedistrian 1st SB win, and he won and that's great but it had more to do with a stiffling defense than anything else. Brady was great in his 2nd and 3rd SB titles and the defenses bent more in those games and he needed to make plays and he did.

Manning has had the better offensive weaponary around him for a longer period of time. Recent years it has been Brady but for the most part Harrison and Wayne and at times even Bradon Stokely all were WRs you had to worry about on gameday when playing the Colts, and he had a premier back in Edgerin James. Both of them though have had good offensive lines.

Manning in my mind is the best in the game when it comes to dropping back and throwing the football, Brady is in the conversation of course but Manning's physical abilities along with his knowledge of the game and defenses are off the charts. There are rarely ever times in a game where you question a Manning throw, with Brady when he is rattled slightly he will misfire a few times through out a game. Both are still phenomenal quarterbacks, you know it's like having the option to win either 10 million dollars or 10.5 million. Both are great, one is a little better than the other.

Very well said, IMO.

BleedingBlue · 02-08-2010, 09:23 PM

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Patriots also had solid defenses those years while the colts did not... The colts could score 40 but gave up 40 right back for many years if you remember correctly. I'll tke manning anyday, and not that loser eli...

Hey now, no need to knock my boy. Using championships to compare players is just dumb IMO. Like others have stated, that would mean that QB's like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, and Doug Williams are equal to Peyton Manning and Brett Favre and are better than Dan Marino. While Brady hasn't had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, he has had very good defenses, far better than what Indy has had. Stats aside, just look at what Peyton does at the line of scrimmage and how he runs that offense. Peyton is the best QB playing today, and could arguably be the best of all time.

sprtsstar4ever · 02-09-2010, 07:46 AM

Team defense isn't relevant to this argument. The Colts Defense kept them in the games. The facts still stand that in Peyton's 9 losses, 7 of those losses he had the game in his hands, and he lost. Not the Defense, HE LOST THE GAMES. Come on people, this guy just isn't that good of a quarterback if he can't get it done when it counts.

sprtsstar4ever · 02-09-2010, 08:50 AM

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Master Shake · 02-09-2010, 09:00 AM

I would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady any day.

IndyColtsFan · 03-12-2010, 09:09 PM

My friend and I have always debated this until one day when we settled it.

My favorite player is Peyton and his is Tom Brady.

Kobe is like Brady and Peyton is like Lebron James.

Derek Jeter is like Brady and Peyton is like A-Rod.

Peyton Manning is better during the regular season and Tom Brady is better in the post season.

They are both highly skilled, but Tom Brady has the slight edge only because he has 2 more rings.

Alejandromyfriend · 03-12-2010, 09:15 PM

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I would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady any day.

I would too. I Especially like how he lost the game for the Colts vs. the Saints in the Super Bowl. Yes he threw the pick 6. Brady never lost a Super Bowl for his team. His Defense did vs the Giants. And the other 3 he won for them. Big difference.