Jarrod Parker Baseball...You decide who gets what - Page 2

cub4life78 · 08-26-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kidk

He also "did not recieve" Rays photos from me bu has some of the same images signed in his bucket.

That's a mighty big coincidence, care to explain ryan92s?

BraggCollector · 08-26-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kidk

He also "did not recieve" Rays photos from me bu has some of the same images signed in his bucket.

Linkypoo to them?

ryan92s · 08-26-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kidk

He also "did not recieve" Rays photos from me bu has some of the same images signed in his bucket.

that is correct... I never got your images you sent to me. You can ask crazycards51 who I graph with a lot and knows about a lot of deals I do. However the images you used were simply shots from the internet and I have now since figured out how to handle it myself and that I don't need to pay someone to get 8x10s for me as it is very easy to do it myself now through the internet. So why some might be ones you used that is simply because they were good shots that are easy to find on the internet

ryan92s · 08-26-2008, 03:24 PM

"Anytime you are selling an item and receiving paypal as your payment as part of paypal buyer protection the seller is required to include delivery confirmation for items under $200. Any item with a value of $200 or more must be sent with signature confirmation. If you don't want to be out the $ and you take paypal, you must use d/c, period. Otherwise it can be chargedback and you will lose the claim."

Sean basically I guess this explains a lot. I also was told from Alan this as well and as it proves in the vote it seems like people are siding with me. It looks like a majority of the people that are explaining including the boss Alan says that it is your responsibility to get me my baseball and when you told me the rule through pm that was not how the rule was meant to be understood.

Laws · 08-26-2008, 05:15 PM

I am not trying to insult anyone either with my opinion, and I think topprospect16 is doing an admirable job in handling this, but I too was in a similar situation like this with another "reputable" trader on this site. This individual has three times the feedback I have and when I only received half of my stuff I purchased I was a little po'ed to hear the excuse that it was sent in another package.

Well that's fine if you can prove that, but said seller didn't have proof as in insurance and or delivery confirmation that a second package was even sent.
That being said the package was supposed to be sent to my parent's house which I have been receiving mail for 20 plus years.

Long story short, after said seller ignored my requests to make the deal right I finally gave up and said fine, if you're going to steal $15 from me and not have the obligation of a seller, I will NEVER deal with this person again.

So in closing, once again I think this is being handled well, but being on the side of the ball as ryan, I think maybe you could offer him something such as a signed card or something at least?

In closing, I trade on a video game website also:
Game Trading Zone - Home Page

As a member there you are expected to send with at minimum delivery confirmation, maybe we should instill that as a rule here too at any transactions dealing over $10 bucks should have delivery confirmation?

kidk · 08-26-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan92s

that is correct... I never got your images you sent to me. You can ask crazycards51 who I graph with a lot and knows about a lot of deals I do. However the images you used were simply shots from the internet and I have now since figured out how to handle it myself and that I don't need to pay someone to get 8x10s for me as it is very easy to do it myself now through the internet. So why some might be ones you used that is simply because they were good shots that are easy to find on the internet

I know, there is no way to prove either way, but it is just a fact. I sent the photos, you say you never got them yet the Upton and Howell shots in your bucket are the same image that I used. There is no way to prove its the same photo, but it must just be a coincedence.

ryan92s · 08-26-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kidk

I know, there is no way to prove either way, but it is just a fact. I sent the photos, you say you never got them yet the Upton and Howell shots in your bucket are the same image that I used. There is no way to prove its the same photo, but it must just be a coincedence.

right and as I said that was before I knew how to print the photos that I ordered from you. Again I only wanted the photos to get signed and at numerous times you told me you sent and at one point you said you sent and 3 days later you sent another pm saying you sent again which I got very suspicious over. Earlier this year I ordered about 25-30 rays photos so one or two being the same image that you found online isn't too uncommon. There are only so many good JP Howell images

ryan92s · 08-27-2008, 02:50 PM

any more thoughts? It looks like the voting has been done and a decision made

alanmoore · 08-27-2008, 05:01 PM

I still think he should do a trace and physically have you sign the trace which is under the penality of perjury especially given some of the more recent comments made. Not saying he still shouldn't resend the ball but just saying he should have done a trace before resending.

Was a trace even done to find out if maybe along the way the label got messed up or something?

ryan92s · 08-27-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by alanmoore

I still think he should do a trace and physically have you sign the trace which is under the penality of perjury especially given some of the more recent comments made. Not saying he still shouldn't resend the ball but just saying he should have done a trace before resending.

Was a trace even done to find out if maybe along the way the label got messed up or something?

he gave me no indication of anything. He sent the ball and told me it was sent... after that I just looked for it and about after I week I pm'd him back to make sure he sent. He told me that mail has been very slow lately and to wait to see if it arrives... however that never happened and he told me he sent it and that was all

Alejandromyfriend · 08-28-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by alanmoore

I still think he should do a trace and physically have you sign the trace which is under the penality of perjury especially given some of the more recent comments made. Not saying he still shouldn't resend the ball but just saying he should have done a trace before resending.

Was a trace even done to find out if maybe along the way the label got messed up or something?

How do you do a trace Alan?

In all of this it just seems DC should have been used, but now with kidk's story it is still interesting how 2 shots come up under his bucket signed - specifically the exact two shots he sent Ryan. There may not be many shots for Howell but I know there are a lot for BJ Upton including shots from his HS days and Futures Games appearaces as well.

I've known Sean for a few years and know he is honest and have trusted him with many 50/50's and he's not the type of person who wouldn't send stuff out. He goes through a lot to get some signings done for us here (cheap as well -Antonelli $2, Parker $5) and I know he wouldn't go through all the trouble and hassle to keep $25, and not send it out. I didn't know you could trace a package if it wasn't DC but would be interested in finding out how to.....

alanmoore · 08-28-2008, 09:41 AM

(1) I dont think anyone doubts Sean sent the ball, at least I dont. He's been standup guy on the board and his graph cred is proven.

(2) To do a trace, all you do is go the Post Office and tell them a package didnt arrive. You then fill out a form and it goes along the path of the package. Ultimately, the buyer receives the letter and swears under penality of perjury that they never received the item. The Postal Carrier also swears that he didnt deliver the package. If I find that the carrier remembers delivering the package, Ryan will be banned without recourse.

(3) The photos mentioned above are not special. The original guy simply stole them from the Net and was trying to make a buck off them. Ryan got wise to how it was done and balked at paying someone for something he could do himself abeit highly illegal. The bottom line is no one on here is going to be selling copyrighted photos - PERIOD. If you are and I catch you, you are banned. If you want to commit copyright infringement, do it on another site, not this one.

(4) Delivery confirmation costs 65-75 cents at the Post Office. 18 cents online. He was paid $4 for postage. It should have shipped with DC but Sean went the cheap route and here we are because of it. I bet he uses DC from here on out, especially since its a new Private Signing rule and I am sure he doesnt want to go through all of this again wasting his time.

kidk · 08-28-2008, 02:40 PM

I was never "trying to make a buck" with the deal with ryan. I was helping him out by printing the photos, he paid for the prints and nothing extra.

alanmoore · 08-28-2008, 03:54 PM

Right, prints of copyrighted images. Against the law in every US state whether you made money off them or not.

In your post you make it seem like they were super unique and he couldn't have possibly went on the net and found them like you did.

ryan92s · 08-28-2008, 04:35 PM

Plain and simple this should be over. Sean himself said he would do a vote... I wasn't a big fan for the vote because I simply thought I was owed my baseball and I never received it so I didn't want it to be decided by others who know Sean as a great trader which I know by his rep here is good. However as I have said I never got the ball and reluctantly agreed to have this thread put out here to hear opinions and have a vote to which Sean would do whatever the vote decleared. As others put in their opinions pretty much everyone agreed to my side about me being owed a ball as there is no proof Sean sent it and if he did there is no way to prove it. The only thing that has been against me was the photos I bought from kidk which I never received... he has to remember I ordered about 30 photos off him and somehow a year later he sees 2 of the images he sent me from that 30... I'm sure he does the exact same thing I "used to" do which was go onto google type in images and find a shot. He probably clicked on one of the first images that was large enough and looked okay and that was what I also did when I did this sometime back. So take away this which really doesn't pertain to this situation the final verdict is I win this vote and most opinions of this board includding two well respected ones in Alan and Copperjj... So Sean I ask that you please take action and respond to one of my several pm's that I have sent you or comment here... either way works